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Career Forecasts for Crosby and Ovechkin

The case may be developing that Ovechkin is the NHL’s best-ever goal scorer

It has been a while since I considered the career outlooks for Crosby and Ovechkin (I last looked at this in my 2011 NHL Review).  Since they King Crosby has been seriously concussed and Alexander the Great has become, perhaps, even greater looking.

My approach to career projections is described in the link, so I won’t repeat it here.  It is based on the performance of a peer group of players who established themselves at a young age, adjusted for rates rates of scoring over time.

How do Crosby and Ovechkin compare to this group?

The table below shows that Crosby has trumped the competition.  Over his career, per game played, he has out-performed the peer group – 18% more goals, 44% more assists and 34% more points.

Season 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Age 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
Crosby
Games Played 81 79 53 77 81 41 22 36 80 77
Goals 39 36 24 33 51 32 8 15 36 28
Assists 63 84 48 70 58 34 29 41 68 56
Points 102 120 72 103 109 66 37 56 104 84
Adjusted Peer Group *
Games Played 70 72 75 72 72 72 75 63 71 71
Goals 21 24 29 30 31 35 33 28 30 30
Assists 30 35 43 44 45 48 49 41 49 50
Points 51 59 72 74 76 83 82 69 79 80
Ratio to Peers per GP
Goals 159% 137% 118% 102% 146% 160% 83% 94% 106% 86%
Assists 180% 219% 159% 148% 115% 124% 202% 175% 123% 103%
Points 172% 186% 142% 130% 128% 139% 154% 142% 117% 97%
* adjusted to today’s scoring context

But the pace of Crosby’s out-performance has diminished markedly.  In the 2014-15 (“2015″) season, Crosby for the first time looked like an ‘ordinary superstar’.  He has always looked like more of a playmaker than a sniper.  His goal scoring began lagging the peer group in 2012.  In 2015 his playmaking looked like this peer group for just the first time in his career.  In addition, Crosby lost a lot of games to concussions and a lockout.

Alexander the Great is clearly more of a sniper than is Crosby.  The table below shows that Ovechkin’s career out-performance of the peer group is different – 47% more goals, 15% fewer assists and 10% more points.

Season 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Age 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
Ovechkin
Games Played 81 82 82 79 72 79 78 48 78 81
Goals 52 46 65 56 50 32 38 32 51 53
Assists 54 46 47 54 59 53 27 24 28 28
Points 106 92 112 110 109 85 65 56 79 81
Adjusted Peer Group *
Games Played 75 72 72 72 75 63 71 71 60 60
Goals 29 30 31 35 33 28 30 30 25 22
Assists 43 44 45 48 49 41 49 50 41 38
Points 72 74 76 83 82 69 79 80 66 60
Ratio to Peers per GP
Goals 167% 134% 184% 145% 158% 91% 115% 158% 158% 177%
Assists 117% 91% 92% 102% 125% 103% 50% 71% 53% 54%
Points 137% 109% 129% 120% 138% 98% 75% 104% 93% 99%
* adjusted to today’s scoring context

Ovechkin’s goal scoring performance has been remarkably consistent.  He looked poised to slow down after 2011 and 2012, but in 2013 he found his old top gear and returned to form.  He has logged six 50 goal seasons and was robbed of a seventh by a lockout.  For this peer group, goal scoring peaked at the age of 23.  Sure enough Ovechkin peaked around that time too, but his 2015 goal scoring out-performance of the peer group was second only to his stellar 2008 season.  In recent years he has kept up the goal pace at the expense of is playmaking, which peaked around 2010.

Using their career-to-date performance and the lifetime trajectories of the peer group I have (boldly – actually in italics) forecast their two careers:

  Crosby   Ovechkin
Age G A Pts   G A Pts
18 39 63 102   0 0 0
19 36 84 120   0 0 0
20 24 48 72   52 54 106
21 33 70 103   46 46 92
22 51 58 109   65 47 112
23 32 34 66   56 54 110
24 8 29 37   50 59 109
25 15 41 56   32 53 85
26 36 68 104   38 27 65
27 28 56 84   32 24 56
28 32 63 95   51 28 79
29 27 58 85   53 28 81
30 32 59 91   40 34 74
31 29 57 86   36 33 69
32 22 51 73   28 30 58
33 23 46 69   28 27 55
34 21 45 66   26 26 52
35 20 41 61   25 24 49
36 17 35 52   21 20 41
37 14 33 47   17 19 36
38 0 0 0   13 12 25
39 0 0 0   0 0 0
40 0 0 0   0 0 0
Totals 539 1039 1578   709 645 1354

The first thing to note is that Ovechkin’s career is disadvantaged by later entry into the NHL.  Notwithstanding this, he projects out at over 700 career goals, having already netted 475.

The next thing to note is that the projections may look a bit pessimistic for Ovechkin.  The model says his 50 goal years are done.  But he has been out-scoring the model for the last few years (my 2011 forecast for was 686 career goals – and it did not see the lockout coming).  His focus on scoring pace has harmed his assist projections.  He now projects out as a rare player to collect more goals than assists.  Others with careers like that are Brett Hull (741 goals, 650 assists) and Mike Gartner (708, 627).

The air has been hissing out of Crosby’s projections ever since I started doing them.  First came a slower tempo to his game, then came the concussions and lockout.  In 2015 we got what might be a new, two-way Crosby.  Yet the near term projections for him seem quite plausible.  Since my 2011 projections, Crosby’s career forecast has bled 120 goals and 147 assists – about three full seasons of work.  So this means the record books won’t see him as a near Gretzky (at one time this looked plausible).

Both of these players are near-certain hall of famers.   Their numbers are disadvantaged by playing during one of the lowest scoring eras ever.  Just imagine what these numbers might have resembled during the free scoring 1980s.  Era-adjusted, I think the case may be developing that Ovechkin is the NHL’s best-ever goal scorer.


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